Greens v the BNP?


You may or may not have been following a discussion I’ve been having here with ders about the BNP.  Well as if in a timely defence of my position, Caroline Lucas, who is standing for the Green party leadership contest in September, has said that the Green party is the only political party that can combat the BNP.   I believe she said this in response to an article in yesterday’s Observer.  To quote part of what she said:

Unlike Labour, Greens will never pander to racism and prejudice – but we will work for a better future for everyone, wherever they live.  Our Councillors are constantly striving to tackle unemployment, poverty and poor housing, the very things that create the bitterness and sense of abandonment that the BNP attempts to exploit.

For me that is a key quote. 

The Observer article itself, written by Rafael Behr, is an excellent read . . .

But the Green versus BNP competition matters. For a start, if a party dedicated to saving the ‘traditional British genotype’ from ‘extinction’ by mixed-race marriages gets roughly as many votes as a party dedicated to saving the planet from climate change, something is wrong.

This is spot on!  I can’t describe how utterly dismayed I was at the last general election when the BNP candidate in the locals got more votes than the Green party candidate.  I was so gutted I actually cried.  It’s wasn’t so much the ‘not winning’ but the fact that so many people could actually value hateful and totally unworkable policies above ethical and humane ones. 

There are some who feel a certain inevitability about the BNP gaining momentum on account of growing feelings of alienation.  This Labour government has sold its soul to the power elite (and to America!) and the disillusioned working classes are bitter.  But the BNP is not the answer – with every bone in my body I could not be any surer.  And I’m actually optimistic about the Green party, Caroline’s potential leadership and their very real chance to win a Westminster seat in the next general election.

The BNP, in spite of its claims to the contrary, are a single-issue party.  It’s often misconstrued that the Green party is a single-issue party also but they’re far from it.  Green politics are much more than the environment and climate change.  To name but a few, they are about equality, compassion and social justice, and crucially about getting us on track with the planet.

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12 responses to this post.

  1. If Caroline Lucas thinks that current BNP voters will suddenly vote for the Greens, then i hope for your sake she doesn’t win the leadership contest.

    IF the Greens were to become a threat to us, we could quite easily adapt our ideology to that of Eco-Nationalism, a concept that has allready been discussed at the highest levels.

    The Greens on the other hand have very little space to manoeuvre given the area of the political spectrum you inhabit.

    In short this seems like a plea for donations from Caroline Lucas, and Labour having seen their rent-a-thugs fail to stop our rise may make the mistake of finding you some cash, so you can do their dirty work for them, especially after the PR disasters the likes of Antifa and UAF have caused in recent months.

    And your party would be worse off for accepting the cash, look at UKIP they were manufactured by the establishment to split the eurosceptic vote, now the funding has been cut and look at them.

    If everything goes to plan the BNP will have MPs and MEPs within the next few years.

    P.S Green activists should at least have a decent grasp of geography and geology, i’m sick of having to point out scientific errors on their literature/propaganda when they come a knocking my door.

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  2. “IF the Greens were to become a threat to us, we could quite easily adapt our ideology to that of Eco-Nationalism, a concept that has allready been discussed at the highest levels.”

    That sounds very much like an admission that the BNP exploits issues to further their agenda. They’ve aready tried to exploit the environment problem anyway.

    “i’m sick of having to point out scientific errors on their literature/propaganda when they come a knocking my door.”

    That’s a joke – the BNP pointing our errors in Green literature when thye’ve been exposed as playing “fast and loose” more than once with their immigration/asylum figures:


    The BNP’s lukewarm success is temporary. Many people only vote for them in protest of the two main parties.

    The BNP seek to exploit people’s fears. They feed on the highly emotive issues of immigration and asylum. They may have engineered a much more acceptable political face, indeed their election manifesto is much more tolerable and toned-down than previous ones have ever been. But does anyone really believe that a party whose ethos is based on bigotry and hatred has been ethically-cleansed? And that its leader, Nick Griffin, the Jew-hating, Muslim-despising, hypocritical gay-bashing, convicted racist thug who said that non-whites have no place in Britain has been born-again and is now a beacon for fairness and social justice?

    According to the BNP, and with the help of the press spouting its propaganda, all the poor social conditions, the governmental problems, crime, council service cuts, the strain on housing and the NHS – every social ill you can think of is the fault of the Asian, the ethnic and the asylum seeker. Well guess what? Those groups aren’t quite so powerful and influential as the BNP give them credit for.

    People who are being seduced by the BNP’s nationalistic immigration and asylum rhetoric would be wise to do some research…look at some of the other disturbing ideological beliefs that their members hold dear . . .

    Stormfront discusion forum frequented by BNP members:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/would-have-happened-if-hitler-511916.html

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/nonwhites-blondism-light-eyes-338170.html

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/do-jews-zionists-really-control-515616.html

    And more on the BNP’s beloved Fuhrer, Nick Griffin and his immigration hypocrisy:


    http://www.easylondonaccommodation.com/
    http://www.easylondon.com/

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  3. Posted by ders on August 20, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Matt reported here, indigenous tribes are already fighting against governments and corporations to preserve their way […]
    Sounds like the BNP.

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  4. “That sounds very much like an admission that the BNP exploits issues to further their agenda. They’ve aready tried to exploit the environment problem anyway.”

    Every political party in history exploits issues, the only difference with the BNP is that as we are nationalist we can adopt a wide range of policies from left, centre and right.

    Eco-Nationalism was discussed some time before the whole BNP vs Greens debate, as i’m sure you know what is the point of trying to save Britain if theres nothing left but a concreted island.

    Britain is overpopulated by 20 million, and if changes aren’t made it is not sustainable.

    “That’s a joke – the BNP pointing our errors in Green literature when thye’ve been exposed as playing “fast and loose” more than once with their immigration/asylum figures:”

    The establishment lie about figures all the time, we are usually spot on with ours.

    Although i had one Green say to me “we want to stop climate change” to which i replied “umm no human on earth can stop climate change, you can merely reduce the rate of climate change” he didn’t know what to say to that.

    “ethos is based on bigotry and hatred”

    That’s quite emotive language and sounds more like the words of a hysterical red, and simply not true, which one of our policies is based on either of the two?

    “According to the BNP, and with the help of the press spouting its propaganda, all the poor social conditions, the governmental problems, crime, council service cuts, the strain on housing and the NHS – every social ill you can think of is the fault of the Asian, the ethnic and the asylum seeker.”

    No, no and no, none of the above is the fault of ethnics or asylum seekers, the establishment is at fault for all of it, the NHS has a deficit of 2 billion pounds, we give 800 million to India a country that has a space programme ummm we don’t have a space programme.

    All those problems can be sorted but not by career politicians from the big three, and “ex”-communists in the cabinet.

    As for Stormfront, that is not a BNP forum, it is infested with White Supremacists and members of other parties such as the BPP, EFP and NF.

    There are alot of antis using the board to spread extreme views so they can post links to show how “nazi” the BNP are, when actually BNP members have been asked not to use Stormfront, what former members or supporters say is nothing to do with us.

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  5. Posted by ders on August 21, 2008 at 9:59 am

    GRE/LAB/LIB/CON=RED V BNP? http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125

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  6. Ders, # 4: There’s a world of difference between those tribes and the British people. What government is stopping you from living your way of life ders? What multi-national corporation is throwing you off your land? Who has confiscated your land or forced you to sell your home? Don’t try to tell me that the immigrants of throwing you off your land or are forcing you to live differently because not one single white person has been thrown off this land by the immigrants. And no-one is forcing us to live differently despite the divisive propaganda used to stir people up. White people in this country are still free to practise their religion or their secularism or whatever . . . and they’re still free to ‘fly-the-flag’ inspite of the BNP claims that Christianity is being outlawed and people can’t fly the Union Jack anymore etc. . . That’s rubbish. If Christianity is declining it’s because secularism, consumerism and materialism is increasing – that and the fact that no-one can be bothered with the church anymore. And no-one has ever said that you that you can’t eat fish and chips or get drunk every Friday night listen to punk rock or speak English or worship the Queen or celebrate St. George’s Day or anything else pertaining to British identity.

    What is the British identity anyway? If all Brits were to take the British Identity and Citizenship test, I suspect the majority of them would fail.

    BNP Chronicle, # 5: The BNP may have asked their members not to use those white supremacy forums but you’d have to be pretty naive to believe they have heeded this request. They just use different names.

    “what policies based on bigotry and hatred.”

    Well if I post the definition of bigotry it won’t be difficult for people to work out which of your policies are based on bigotry.

    A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind.

    The hatred element is a natural progression of the bigotry. Or vice versa

    (And the BNP uses emotive language too).

    “The establishment lie about figures all the time, we are usually spot on with ours.”

    Would your “factual” figures come from right-wing think-tank Migration Watch UK by any chance? Or the Daily Mail? Read this little article and see how tabloids like the Mail report the “truth”. Typical display of dishonest reporting from the immigrant-bashing xenophobes.

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  7. Ultimately, Nick Griffin’s past involvement with facism and the far right is readily available for all BNP supporters to view. No-one is so naive that they can believe he has changed his ideology so drastically. Hence, BNP supporters surely condone or believe in the same fascist ideology.

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  8. Posted by ders on August 21, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    http://express.lineone.net/posts/view/45503/Police-told-man-to-hide-racist-St-George-flag A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind , anyone can be a bigot, Bigot. Someone who values your opinion less than his own.

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  9. Posted by ders on August 21, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Hate: The love a white man has for his own people, his own nation and his own culture.

    Hate crime law: (1) A law which says that a man who murders out of hate is a worse criminal than one who murders out of greed; (2) A law which provides a greater penalty for an emotion (hate) over which a person has no control than an act (eg, of greed or lust) over which he does

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